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Posted by nixit(da][as) on September 26, 2002 at 2:30 PM
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In Reply To Question about conservation of energy > posted by AshsZ (Fab Whore, Ph.D) on September 26, 2002 at 02:17 PM
     
Message : If you are using electrolysis to split water into its component elements, hydrogen and oxygen, where is the electricity coming from to do that which is not being added as resistance to the car's motion?

battery power baby.
at 12-14 volts, we are drawing less then 20 amps (totally depends on the mixture). we have not blown our 30amp fuse and will be dropping our fuse soon to 15 amps.
the worst case is, we'll destroy alternators (Z32 cars are 85 amps, the hydundai is 90 amps).

What I'm getting at is you are re-oxidizing the hydrogen in the cylinder to extract the thermal energy, convert it to mechanical power and make the car move. You cannot extract any more energy out of the oxidation of hydrogen than what it took to split it apart, and even then there are huge losses with an internal combustion engine.

the oxygen is already there. if we were making more oxygen, all of this would be mute, as the O2 sensors would lean the car out more.
in theory, the hydrogen is allowing the fuel to seperate and detonate much easier then with air alone. I don't know the specifics off hand, but it will be provided in the technical post in the future (4 months out maybe).


. Where is the energy coming from to seperate the water that doesn't put negating loads on moving the car? It sounds like you have created a negative resistor, but I'm thinking I'm missing something with the setup - I really dont have a clue about how this thing is configured.

electrically it's wired as a battery, to the stock battery.
positive from the car battery to a pole on the hydrogen tank,
negative from the car battery to an opposing pole on the hydrogen tank.
all controlled via a relay and 'turn on' wire for safety.

plumbing is even more simple but is very crude. one vacuum line from the very top of the tank that draws hydrogen from our hydrogen tank into the intake plenum. the hydrogen flows in with normal engine vacuum. in the Z32, I will be installing a one way valve to prevent issues while under boost.

: Just curious, you're kinda leaving some of us hanging. :-)

: : "After electrolysis and weightments, the deposits are removed by dissolving in single acids without any damage to the electrodes.
: : Before re-use the electrodes should be cleaned with distilled water followed with drying around 100 C.
: : When determining Zinc, tin, lead, cadmium or mercury content by cathodic deposition, a prior electro deposit of copper or silver is recommended to avoid alloying with platinum.
"

: : the deposts are coming from the water, and just a hair from the electrodes. the water is common tap water. distilled water yields MUCH less hydrogen. tap water minerals aid in the splitting of hydrogen from the oxygen. however, it tends to boil the water. we are trying to keep boiling to a minimum as it could potentially allow acidic water to be sucked into the intake tract. there are many other things to consider that I have not meantioned.

: : While david has the hyundai going with hydrogen, I have been in contact with Aquamist and now have a few prototype parts from them to facility a better aquamist installtion. So thats ongoing as well.

: : not to mention working on the jeep on a daily basis and tearing down the 280z motor for it's rebuild. I always have my hands in stuff.

     
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